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    Episode•November 7, 2024•22 min

    Exploring Life Settlements with Rob Haynie | Ep. 352

    Join Tiffany Grant as she dives into the fascinating world of life settlements with industry expert Rob Haynie. In this episode, Rob demystifies life settlements, explaining how they work, who can benefit from them, and the financial and legal implications involved. You'll learn about the process from both the seller’s and the buyer’s perspectives, providing you with a comprehensive understanding of this lesser-known financial strategy. Check out the full show notes: https://moneytalkwitht.com/podcast-show-notes/life-settlement/ Key Discussion Points What is a Life Settlement? Rob provides a thorough explanation of life settlements, highlighting its benefits and the scenarios where this option might be useful. Legal and Ethical Considerations: Rob discusses the regulatory environment surrounding life settlements and emphasizes the importance of ethical practices in the industry. Types of Policies Eligible for Life Settlements: Learn which types of life insurance policies qualify for life settlements and the conditions under which they might be sold. The Buyer’s Perspective: Rob sheds light on what happens to a life insurance policy once it's sold, including potential investors and their interests. Practical Uses for Life Settlement Funds: Tiffany and Rob discuss real-life examples of how individuals have used the funds from life settlements to enhance their quality of life. Connect with Rob Phone: 954-599-4433 Email: [email protected] Website: www.lisettlements.com Connect with Tiffany Website: www.moneytalkwitht.com Social Media: @MoneyTalkWithT For more personal finance tips and discussions, be sure to subscribe to the Money Talk With Tiff podcast and leave a review to let us know what you think! This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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    Key Takeaways

    • 1

      A life settlement is the sale of an existing life insurance policy to a third-party investor for more than the cash surrender value but less than the death benefit.

      Example: A 75-year-old with a $1M policy and $50K cash surrender value could receive $250K via life settlement instead of surrendering.

      The policy is treated as an asset that can be sold, kept, or gifted like real estate.

      Most people are unaware this option exists and either let policies lapse or surrender them for minimal value.

    • 2

      Life settlements are regulated in 45 states plus DC and include a 15-day rescission period for seller protection.

      Transactions require full disclosure and consent from all parties involved.

      A life settlement only occurs when the seller receives more than any alternative option.

      The rescission period allows sellers to unwind the deal if they change their mind.

    • 3

      Universal life policies are the most commonly purchased, followed by term policies within the conversion period; IULs, GULs, and VULs are also eligible.

      Buyers evaluate policies based on life expectancy, future premium costs, and medical history.

      Sellers should submit policy details for appraisal rather than guessing eligibility.

      Even if a policy isn't sold, the appraisal process reveals its potential future value.

    • 4

      Buyers (investors) purchase policies as uncorrelated alternative assets, often holding them to maturity for the death benefit.

      Pension funds and institutional investors favor the asset class due to its stability and long time horizon.

      Life expectancies in the market have increased from ~60 months to ~240 months.

      Policies can also be traded in a secondary/tertiary market after initial purchase.

    • 5

      Proceeds from life settlements can fund long-term care, annuities, vacations, family reunions, or philanthropic gifts while the insured is still alive.

      One couple used proceeds to send 30+ family members to Disney World.

      Another donor gifted a policy to a ballet center, receiving a tax deduction and enjoying the venue with their name on it.

      The strategy provides liquidity from an asset most people don't realize they can monetize.

    Intro

    • Tiffany Grant explores the lesser-known financial strategy of life settlements with 31-year industry veteran Rob Haynie, demystifying how policy owners can sell their life insurance for cash today.
    • Rob Haynie is a life settlement expert with over three decades of experience; he can be reached at 954-599-4433 or via www.lisettlements.com.
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    – What Is a Life Settlement?

    • Rob explains a life settlement as the sale of a life insurance policy to a third-party investor for more than cash surrender value but less than the death benefit.

    A life insurance policy is an asset just like your home... You can sell it. You can keep it. You can gift it.

    – Rob Haynie
    • Example: 75-year-old with $1M policy and $50K CSV receives $250K instead of surrendering.

    – Legal & Ethical Considerations

    • The industry is regulated in 45 states + DC and follows NAIC/NCOIL Model Act guidelines.
    • Every transaction includes a 15-day rescission period; Rob has seen only three rescissions in his career, all due to death during the window.

    A life settlement only takes place when you're getting more money than you can otherwise get any other way.

    – Rob Haynie

    – Eligible Policy Types

    • Universal life policies are the most commonly purchased; term policies inside the conversion window rank second.
    • IULs, GULs, and VULs can also qualify. Sellers should submit policy details for an accurate appraisal rather than guessing eligibility.

    – Underwriting & Buyer Vetting

    • Buyers require full medical records and detailed history to calculate precise life expectancy, unlike traditional insurance underwriting.
    • The only disqualifiers are being too healthy (long life expectancy), having excessive loans, or not owning a policy at all.

    – Who Should Consider a Life Settlement?

    • Ideal candidates are age 60+ who no longer need or can afford their policy.

    Why not do the same thing with your life insurance policy? Because in many instances, this is either your second, third, or maybe even your largest financial asset.

    – Rob Haynie
    • Appraisal is free and reveals value even if the owner decides not to sell.

    – The Buyer's Perspective

    • Institutional investors buy hundreds or thousands of policies, often holding to maturity.
    • Pension funds like the uncorrelated returns and long duration (life expectancies now average ~20 years).
    • A secondary/tertiary market allows policies to be traded after initial purchase.

    – Real-Life Uses of Proceeds

    • Funding long-term care or annuities
    • Paying for family reunions or vacations
    • Gifting policies to charities for tax benefits and legacy naming rights

    We've had people gift their life insurance to philanthropic organizations... They were able to, the last 10 years of life, go and enjoy the ballet, walk through the doors with their name above.

    – Rob Haynie

    Resources

    • Full Show Notesarticle
    • Rob Haynie's Website

    Topics

    Life SettlementsLife InsuranceAlternative InvestmentsFinancial PlanningEstate PlanningLong-Term Care FundingPolicy AppraisalSecondary MarketPhilanthropyRetirement Income

    Exploring Life Settlements with Rob Haynie | Ep. 352

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