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    Episode•January 6, 2022•35 min

    Estate Planning with David Edey | Ep. 83

    Tiffany invites CEA (Certified Executor Advisor), David Edey on the podcast to talk all things estate planning. David discusses his book, Executor Help, and how his own personal experience inspired him to start helping others with the often stressful process of estate planning and settling. About Our Guest David Edey is a Certified Executor Advisor (CEA) who has worked in the financial planning industry in Montreal for more than 35 years. He has advised hundreds of clients, written over 200 articles about personal finance, and shared his expertise on radio and television myriad times.  David is not just an expert; he is someone who knows this topic inside and out from personal experience, having spent seven years and $50,000 in lawyer fees to come to an agreement with siblings over his parents’ estate. And that was with a written will! The grief, frustration, and stress of that experience was life-altering for him. David was determined to write his book, Executor Help, in order to help others successfully navigate the difficult tasks of estate planning and executorship—so that other families could stay together, rather than fall apart. Connect with David Website: https://www.davidedey.com Twitter: @DavidEEdey Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/prepareyourexecutorprotectyourfamily Connect with Tiffany on Social Media Facebook: Money Talk With Tiff Twitter: @moneytalkwitht Instagram: @moneytalkwitht LinkedIn: Tiffany Grant This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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    Key Takeaways

    • 1

      The "Triangle of Conflict" creates estate settlement chaos

      Three elements that guarantee problems: no will, second marriage, or family conflicts

      Any one of these factors turns estate settlement into a "hot mess"

      David's personal experience: 7 years, 10 court appearances, $50,000 in legal fees despite having a will

    • 2

      Organization and communication prevent family conflicts

      Have explicit conversations with beneficiaries before death about wishes

      Store important documents in a bright red/orange envelope (not locked in a safe)

      Include all digital assets and passwords in estate documentation

      Update estate plans every 2-3 years or when family circumstances change

    • 3

      Executor role is thankless but has clear objectives

      Three goals: pay correct taxes, distribute to beneficiaries, close estate

      Average settlement takes 100 hours and 12-18 months

      Executors should evaluate if they want the role before accepting

      Book provides strategies for dealing with difficult beneficiaries

    • 4

      Business succession planning is essential alongside estate planning

      Business owners need both estate and succession plans

      Without succession planning, creditors, clients, and contracts become executor nightmares

      Options: family continuation, sale, or shutdown must be predetermined

    • 5

      Beneficiary designations alone are insufficient

      Naming beneficiaries doesn't cover funeral costs, digital assets, or passwords

      Kobe Bryant's youngest child wasn't named in trust despite regular updates

      Complete estate planning requires both beneficiary designations AND comprehensive documentation

    Intro

    • Tiffany discusses estate planning and executorship with Certified Executor Advisor David Edey, exploring how proper preparation can prevent family conflicts and financial chaos after death.
    • David Edey is a Certified Executor Advisor (CEA) with 35+ years in financial planning in Montreal. After spending 7 years and $50,000 in legal fees settling his parents' estate despite having a will, he wrote "Executor Help" to help families avoid similar trauma. He has written over 200 articles on personal finance.
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    – The Triangle of Conflict Explained

    • David introduces the "Triangle of Conflict" - three elements that guarantee estate settlement problems: no will, second marriage, or family conflicts. He emphasizes that any one of these creates a "hot mess" for executors.

    If you're an executor, or you haven't put together an estate and you've got one of these issues, you've got a problem.

    – David Edey

    – David's Personal Motivation

    • David shares his motivation for writing the book: his own 7-year battle settling his parents' estate, involving 10 court appearances and $50,000 in lawyer fees despite having a will. This experience inspired him to help others avoid similar family trauma.

    I didn't want anybody else to have to go through what I did.

    – David Edey

    – Three Types of Families

    • David categorizes families into three types: Avoiders (procrastinate, leave chaos), Acceptors (do some planning but not enough), and those who do comprehensive planning. He cites Chadwick Boseman and Prince as avoiders, and Aretha Franklin as an acceptor whose handwritten wills created ongoing conflicts.

    – Practical Organization Tips

    • Key recommendations include storing documents in a bright red/orange envelope (not locked in a safe), including all digital passwords and assets, and having explicit conversations with beneficiaries before death about wishes and expectations.

    Don't lock it in a safe. Because who's going to know how to open up the safe?

    – David Edey

    – The Executor's Reality

    • David describes the executor role as thankless, involving arguments with beneficiaries and seeing "human relationships at a level that you never thought." The three goals are: pay correct taxes, distribute to beneficiaries, and close the estate efficiently.

    It's a thankless job. You're going to see human relationships at a level that you never thought.

    – David Edey

    – Why Everyone Needs Estate Planning

    • David debunks the myth that estate planning is only for the wealthy. Even modest assets like homes and cars require planning. Without a will, children may be divided among relatives and require court petitions for basic needs like school expenses.

    – Business Succession Planning

    • Business owners need both estate and succession plans. Without succession planning, executors face creditors, unpaid contracts, and unclear business direction. David cites Tony Hsieh of Zappos who died without a will, leaving 200-300 sticky notes with business deals.

    – Starting Difficult Conversations

    • David suggests using personal estate planning as a conversation starter: "I just completed my will and feel so much better. What have you done?" This approach opens dialogue without seeming intrusive about parents' or grandparents' affairs.

    – The Importance of Updates

    • Estate plans must be updated every 2-3 years or when circumstances change (second marriages, new children, family conflicts). David cites Kobe Bryant's trust that didn't include his youngest child, requiring court petition despite regular updates.

    – Beyond Beneficiary Designations

    • Naming beneficiaries isn't enough. Estate planning must also address funeral costs, digital assets, passwords, and who handles notifications. Complete documentation prevents executors from scrambling during grief.

    Books Mentioned

    • Executor Help: How to Settle an Estate by David Edey

    Resources

    • Executor Checklist (US & Canada)tool
    • Sample Chapter

    Topics

    estate planningexecutorshipwills and trustsfamily conflict resolutionfinancial organizationbusiness successiondigital assetsprobate processbeneficiary planningend-of-life planning

    Estate Planning with David Edey | Ep. 83

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