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    Episode•December 21, 2023•29 min

    3 Most Common Types of Healthcare Fraud with Angel Cellucci | Ep. 287

    Are you worried about healthcare fraud and abuse? You're not alone! Recently, Tiffany Grant introduced guest Angel Cellucci, a specialist in identifying and preventing medical billing fraud and abuse. They discussed the three most common types of billing fraud: double-billing, upcoding, and billing for services not received. Angel also shared her DOVE framework, which will help you get organized and verify details against your medical bills in order to avoid overpaying. About Our Guest Angel Cellucci has been a dedicated healthcare professional for over 20 years. With the knowledge and passion of a true advocate, she has pursued her calling to become a Family Nurse Practitioner and help improve the lives of those in need. In 2016, however, Angel was made aware of the staggering amount of fraud and medical debt impacting individuals across the country. This new awareness inspired Angel to create tools and resources that would protect people and their families from financial insecurity due to medical expenses. With an empathetic and friendly attitude, Angel is passionate about empowering individuals with knowledge by sharing her skills and resources in order to put them back in control of their healthcare system. Connect with Angel Website: http://overbrookconsultants.com LinkedIn: Angel Cellucci Connect with Tiffany Website: https://moneytalkwitht.com Facebook: Money Talk With Tiff Twitter: @moneytalkwitht Instagram: @moneytalkwitht LinkedIn: Tiffany Grant Additional Links & Resources Marie Kondo - https://konmari.com Dr. Virgie Bright Ellington Demystifies Medical Bills Tips For Managing Your Medical Bills When You Have a Chronic Illness This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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    Key Takeaways

    • 1

      93% of medical bills reviewed over 28 years contained errors or fraud

      Angel Cellucci's company saved insurance carriers over $30 million, yet consumer premiums and deductibles continued rising

      Consumers must review their own bills because insurance savings don't trickle down to patients

    • 2

      Three most common types of billing fraud: double-billing, upcoding, and billing for services not received

      Double-billing: being charged for more services than actually received (e.g., six IVs when only one was used)

      Upcoding: billing for higher-acuity services than provided (e.g., anesthesiologist vs. oral surgeon rates)

      Billing for services not received: charging for visits on dates when patient wasn't even in the state

    • 3

      The DOVE framework helps consumers systematically review medical bills

      Document: Record everything from the moment you enter a facility using a medical appointment journal

      Organize: Keep all medical information in one dedicated location (binder, folder, or filing cabinet)

      Verify: Compare bills against your documentation looking for the three common billing errors

      Engage: Contact providers in writing with return receipt requested; request interest-free payment plans instead of using credit cards

    • 4

      Request itemized bills and document everything to catch billing errors

      Regular bills are vague; itemized bills list every charge line by line

      Scheduled procedures: providers must introduce themselves before services; document who performed what

      Always assume human error first, but verify everything against your documentation

    • 5

      Hospitals mark up prices 400-500% and abuse includes charging $20 for a box of tissues

      Abuse differs from fraud: you receive the item but are overcharged for it

      Never put medical bills on credit cards; always request interest-free payment plans

      Put disputes in writing for a paper trail; providers must respond within 30 days by law

    Intro

    • Tiffany Grant welcomes Angel Cellucci, a Family Nurse Practitioner and healthcare fraud specialist with over 20 years of experience, to discuss how consumers can protect themselves from medical billing fraud and abuse.
    • Angel Cellucci spent 20+ years as a nurse and nurse practitioner before acquiring a medical fraud investigation company in 2016. After discovering that 93% of reviewed bills contained errors or fraud, she created the DOVE framework to empower consumers to review their own medical bills.
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    – Fraud vs. Abuse: Key Differences

    • Angel explains that abuse occurs when providers charge more than they should for services received (e.g., $20 for tissues), while fraud involves knowingly billing for services not provided or at higher rates than warranted.

    Hospitals are notorious for raising their prices between 400 and 500%. Like who else does that in any other industry?

    – Angel Cellucci

    – Three Most Common Billing Errors

    • Angel outlines the three most common types of billing fraud that consumers encounter:
    • Angel's mother billed $500 for an office visit in Pennsylvania while she was in Florida
    • Client billed for six IVs during a same-day procedure when only one was used
    • Angel's daughter billed for anesthesiologist rates when her oral surgeon administered anesthesia

    – The Shocking Statistics

    • After reviewing 28 years of data from her fraud investigation company, Angel discovered that 93% of medical bills contained errors or fraud, yet insurance savings never reached consumers.

    We've saved the insurance carriers millions, millions of dollars. Yet our premiums, our out-of-pocket expenses, and our deductibles are still going higher and higher.

    – Angel Cellucci

    – Introducing the DOVE Framework

    • Angel created the DOVE framework to make her professional system accessible to everyday consumers, including her 93-year-old aunt.

            – Document: The First Step

            • Angel recommends using a medical appointment journal to record provider seen, time spent, diagnosis, treatment, follow-up care, copay paid, and CPT/ICD-10 codes used.

            If you go see your providers in January, and then you don't start getting bills until August or September... are you really going to remember every single detail that occurred nine months ago?

            – Angel Cellucci

            – Organize: Creating Order

            • Angel references Marie Kondo's principles, recommending a dedicated binder, accordion folder, or filing cabinet for all medical-related information including notes, bills, insurance info, and medications.

            – Verify: Checking for Errors

            • Wait for your Explanation of Benefits (EOB) before verifying. Compare bills against documentation looking for double-billing, charges for services not received, or upcoding.

            I look at every single medical bill as guilty until I prove it as being innocent and accurate.

            – Angel Cellucci

            – Engage: Taking Action

            • When errors are found, communicate in writing with return receipt requested for a paper trail. Providers must respond within 30 days by law. Always request interest-free payment plans instead of using credit cards.

            This system was designed to serve us, not bankrupt us. We have more power than we realize.

            – Angel Cellucci

            Resources

            • Dr. Virgie Bright Ellington Demystifies Medical Billsarticle
            • Tips For Managing Your Medical Bills When You Have a Chronic Illnessarticle
            • Marie Kondo - KonMari Method
            • Overbrook Consultants (DOVE Framework)tool

            Topics

            Healthcare FraudMedical BillingConsumer ProtectionFinancial LiteracyMedical DebtInsurancePatient AdvocacyDOVE FrameworkUpcodingDouble Billing

            3 Most Common Types of Healthcare Fraud with Angel Cellucci | Ep. 287

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